A Posthumanist Next Door: David Icke as a Preacher
Posthumanism, in quite general sense of the term, is an omnipresent subject on KT. Conspiracy theories, on the other hand, less so. However, what if conspiracy theories, in the most pejorative sense you can think of, could be a substance of what one might call nascent posthuman religion or at least a world view that seems to be the most compatible one with the negative essence of dissolution of the modern world and modern man? If there’s anyone who could provide us with even a preliminary answer to these questions than it must be the Ayatolah of conspiratorial new age populism – David Icke himself.
In this podcast we analyze Icke’s peculiar, nonsensical, but disarmingly sincere notion of what human being and history are, and posit that it is to date perhaps the most perfect expression of the principles postmodern/posthuman popular religiosity could be spliced onto.
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Branko Malić
Great talk, one comment:
You are shocked by this, yet we had Na rubu znanosti on TV for what is it, 15 years now? David himself plus a large number of similar people of his kind have been on the show repeatedly. Also, have you seen any of Krešimir Mišak’s interviews? He’s giving talks quite often, and his position is very Ikeish, even the technical jargon he uses. I’m afraid this sort of stuff has been creeping into Croatia for while.
I am not shocked by Icke at all. In the Eighties Zagreb was full of followers of Osho Rajneesh, Castaneda et al. because this was both cool and acceptable for the Party. Yet the most of those people just grew out of it for various reasons that were deeply embeded in them. They didn’t convert but just reverted, or became aware of what was in them from the beginning. Most of the exceptions were children of the red burgoise, who would cling to anything that answers to their “spiritual needs”, provided it is not the faith of “class enemies”, i.e. people whose property their grandfathers stole.
Nowadays it is a bit different, but it is still confined to big cities which in Croatia amounts to Zagreb and even there it is more a reaction to prevalent desperation and what is seen as an inadequate answer of the Church to challenges of transition.
In the West, places like Ireland for example, people genuinely cut themselves off their inheritence on mass scale. In Croatia this is a minority thing and those that are in the minority pride themselves about being “thinking minority”, so it is in their interest to keep things that way. Balkan progressive is as traditionally primitive, territorial and intolerant as his opponent – you don’t like nationalism, become Yugoslav nationalist; you want same sex marriage, first make sure who wears the pants in that relationship.
If you scratch even little beneath the surface, things are radically different here.
Interesting and insightful as always, Branco.
Sometimes I think that cultivating this sort of reputation as the guy who rails on about “lusty argonian maids” and what not, is precisely intended to vet out certain types of people from his circle who might in fact have a beef with the fine details of his reasoning. Rather in fact, it is better to attract paranoid know-it-alls who are the most impressionable and easy to mold.
That said though this alienation you speak of in a segment of the video is extremely prevalent in Western society, to the point where a person who holds more, let’s just say, “traditional values” can’t help but feel as an outsider in such society (and be treated with hostility by it in turn). I think the culprit behind it all is the “humanization” of the moral aspect of our lives, with the term in brackets meaning what appears to be desirable for somebody at a current moment is good and should be encouraged in all cases (sometimes forcibly so), cut off from any positive statement of a principle that transcends the mere desired utility of it. After all the modern motto is that, if it doesn’t harm anyone else but you, what bad could it possibly do?
One thing I find interesting, but can’t really dive deeply into, is this road to Damascus experience he had. I really don’t think he made it up, he seems too sincere to do something like that. What kind of spirit whispers in your ear to pick up New Age self help manual and go out to change the world, I wonder. Obvious culprit would be “the man of wealth and taste”, but I just cannot believe he’s so desperate to contract David Icke and New Age healer. I mean after all those dr. Faustus style people and fancy grimoires to end up with something like that … it would really be self defeating act.
As for the lizards thing, just try to dig up some episodes from the BBC series “V” from the Eighties and all will be revealed.
There are many kinds of entities in the unseen world, not just the class of beings we know as accusers.
I believe the origin of this particular case however, comes from certain UFO contactees reports of highly unpleasant encounters with a certain type of beings that take a reptilian form. Most of these reports sound closer to medieval accounts of meeting with demons rather than the science fiction veneer we’ve grown to expect the UFO phenomenon to carry. This didn’t stop it from leaking into popular culture in the form of science fiction serials. I have reasons to contend that the former preceded the latter however.